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What is my discourse?-Katy Dellinger

Dictionary.com defines discourse as communication of thought by words; talk; conversation. This is my first class in grad school that I have heard about the term discourse. It is very interesting to me that regardless of who you are everyone is a part of some sort of discourse or another. As Hicks said on page 21, "None of discourse of locations in associated power relations are fixed or unchanging; they are shifting relations between discourses; they complicated or retract the identities; children can gain or lose power in associated kinds of knowledge as social discourses as they take up social discourses; they can talk, act, and know in hybrid ways as well." As adults we are well aware of the fact that we have to "become hybrid" in order to properly function in our society. We understand what we have to do in order to change automatically depending where we are and who we are around. I remember when my sister went to college at Chapel Hill she would come home on the weekends and when we would be eating dinner or something she would correct our speech if we didn't say something correctly. As soon as Dr. Jackson gave the example of a southern girl going off to college and having to shift herself a little bit, I thought of my sister. The example that she gave really helped me to understand what this term means. I think that my sister was experiencing her difference of discourses from the one she was being introduced to (Chapel Hill) and the one she came from (Maiden). The older she got and the closer she was to graduating, I think she started to realize that she belonged to different discourses. Her social network at college was completely different than the discourse she belonged to as she grew up and still yet. She became comfortable with being able to correctly "code switch". I thought it was also interesting how Dr. Jackson described her southern discourse to her academic discourse as being incompatible. This is very true. I found this out for myself along with my sister when she went off to college. For example, the friends that I have who did not go off to college are still some of my best friends, but we have different things in common than the college friends I made when I went off to college.

While entering the education system, it is very obvious that education today is aimed at middle-class to higher middle-class children. It is almost a "one size fits all" type of thing (which I think someone created a post on this). But this bothers me because as teachers we are trained to accommodate to the needs of the diverse learners in our class and of course we do, but the state mandated tests at the end of the year just gives an example of the "one size fits all". Teachers go to workshop after workshop to learn how to "improve" our instruction, but maybe it is not the teachers. Maybe it is those stupid tests kids are forced to take at the end of the year. Should that really determine if a child is literate or not especially when literacy is not defined as just reading and writing?

This brings me to my next point. Since school is mostly for the average middle-class child where it was expected that their parents read to them before school started, then how does everyone else fit in to this discourse? I never thought about it until now, but children come to school in kindergarten being a part a specific discourse for around five years. That is a pretty long time for students to become accustomed to their way of life. However, perhaps this child from a lower class family comes into kindergarten and realizes that things are a little different. They are already trying to figure out how they fit into this discourse, but at the same time there is pressure on them to have to learn to "catch up" because they aren't as advanced as what is expected of them. Learning to read does not become priority to them and therefore from day one of kindergarten they hate school and consider themselves as "dumb" because that is how they are viewed. It is almost like these kids were never even given a chance just because of the socioeconomic status they came from. Okay, so what if a Hispanic student from a lower income family comes into kindergarten and just moved here from another state or country. First of all, they are trying to learn the discourse they are in, but at the same time they cannot speak English, so therefore they are already seen as non-readers. Anyways, my point is that I don't think as teachers we realize just how different children are. They come into kindergarten and their world completely changes. I would go back to my example that I used in a previous post where I talked about the 7th grader I had who could not read. I will no longer say he is illiterate because there is no way someone that smart with "street smarts" would be illiterate. He may not know how to read and write the words, but he can speak them and he can learn things. He was probably seen as a child with power at his house because he could do so many things because he was taught at a young age that these life skills such as fixing a car is more important than learning to read. However, when he came to kindergarten, it probably started from day one that he became uncomfortable with the discourse he was in because school is made for the middle class children and he did not fit into that nor did he know how to fit into that.

So I agree that teachers should understand their students and where they come from, but how about the government or whoever changes the tests they give these students at the end of the year according to the levels the students are on. If these students fail year after year on these state-mandated tests then how are they ever going to appreciate learning and more importantly reading? I agree with Hicks when she makes her argument about literacy is not just reading and writing. The question I leave you with is then if that is the case then is there really anyone out there who is illiterate?

Katy Dellinger

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Rebecca Ashby:


I have to make the point that being Southern and educated are not mutually exclusive! My mother has a doctorate and she used to tell me all the time, “Southern women do not… (fill in the blank with anything fun). I am assuming that by Southern everyone means poor and or rural? I can’t find who said it, but I think the quote “just because I speak with an accent doesn’t mean I think with one” applies.
I think imbedded in code switching is the idea of roles. Like your sister Katy, figuring out where her role as a student ended and her role as a daughter began, we all have to navigate not just code switching, but role switching. When Hicks talked about power shifting I was reminded of how when I am in my classroom I am in charge. I am Ms. Ashby or yes ma'am. My students know better than to cross me. But when I go home, I am the daughter and sister. My Mama is the one in charge. Although I don’t think she could catch me, there’s still a good chance she would give me a woop’in if she thought I needed it, or a tongue lashing at the very least. My sister talks to me in ways my colleagues at school would never dream. We all have to change our discourse according to our situation and we need to teach our students to be flexible enough to navigate all of life’s circumstances.

-Rebecca Ashby

Maria Blevins:

Katie I am with you on learning about discourse. I listened to the Podcast 3 times! I listened to it before the reading, in the middle of the reading, and after I read chapter 2. I had seen how difficult the wording was in chapter 1 and felt the need to listen to the podcast a couple of extra times. Dr. Jackson’s explanations really helped me to understand discourse as well. It was something I had overlooked many times while teaching, being a student, and just being myself. I myself have many hats that I wear. I am one way at work while teaching my students. Then I am different while at home with my husband and 2 dogs. While with friends I am another individual. Last I talk and represent myself differently among my family. None of my immediate family have graduated from college. My dad started college but well, I came along, and he had to drop out. So I feel like I should talk and act differently around them. If I don’t I may receive some strange looks and lose connection with them. Now when I am with my friends which most have attended college, we talk a total different way. I use a lot of code switching. It is actually not hard to do. I think where I came from and my background has really made college a hard task for me. I had no one to really support me other than my husband. My parents and siblings didn’t really know what the fuss was about with me “having” to attend college. Fortunately my husband and all of his family had been through college and were very supportive in my endeavor. So I really understand what you are saying about your sister and her trips home from Chapel Hill.
Angie and I just talked about the EOGs and how much of an injustice they are in measuring our students’ proficiency in a grade. There are so many reasons it is not fair. They are administered for a subject on “one” day. All of a child’s hard work for the whole school year is not even a factor in their performance on this assessment. Also they are not diverse in addressing the differences in children’s race, class, and gender.

Reshawna Greene:

Dear Katy,

In response to your last question, I would have to say no, because as we have learned, literacy refers to many things. You must be "literate" in the different discourses in your life in order to "remain" in those discourses. For example, if you want to be a successful skate boarder, not only do you have to practice, but you must learn the terminology, the techniques, and skills needed to become one. I wouldn't know the first thing about this sport, other than it looks fun but can be pretty dangerous. Kids who may not be able to read and write well, often do develop coping mechanisms and become skilled in other areas of their lives. I taught a student that was labeled as a "slow-learner" from Kindergarten. He repeated Kindergarten and at the request of parents, he also repeated 1st grade. He was a very talented artist and had highly developed spacial skills. He could only read about 20 high-frequency words and could usually write one sentence about a topic. He could tell me what he wanted to say, but had great difficulty getting his ideas down on paper because he knew that he knew how to spell even less than 20 words. So, I would have him tell me what he wanted to write and he could tell me with great detail what he wanted to say. If you came into my classroom to observe, you could not pick him out as a struggling reader/writer at first because he masked his difficulties well and was literate in other areas.
Reshawna Greene

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